DDM Enclosed Carrier vs. Turtle Enclosed Carrier?

[Trev]

what are the main differences between these two products? besides obviously one is $200.00, and the other is $70.00.

[Timmahh]

the TR setup is a complete System , where DDMs is a enclosed cover.
Not sure if TR offers JUST a housing that can be used with the stock spur plate ect.

can you link the 2 items?
i think if you look at the pics and descriptions, you ll find the TR is the covered carrier, new bell, new spur plate ect.. as well as the way it ties teh clutch side of the baja together, its quite a bit of unit.
the DDM unit works quite good if your running otherwise stock units.

their are probably 40 threads just about titled the same, a quick search will bring up threads and threads with most the information you need to make a well eductated choice.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Timmahh

the TR setup is a complete System , where DDMs is a enclosed cover.
Not sure if TR offers JUST a housing that can be used with the stock spur plate ect.

can you link the 2 items?
i think if you look at the pics and descriptions, you ll find the TR is the covered carrier, new bell, new spur plate ect.. as well as the way it ties teh clutch side of the baja together, its quite a bit of unit.
the DDM unit works quite good if your running otherwise stock units.

their are probably 40 threads just about titled the same, a quick search will bring up threads and threads with most the information you need to make a well eductated choice.

turtle setup: http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.88...t.A/id.4813/.f
ddm setup: http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.88...t.A/id.4615/.f

I'm just wondering what the benefit is of one over the other? because its a substantial price increase. I know the turtle system comes with a new bell, and a pinion gear....but my stock ones are working just fine for me.

unless the stock "bell" wears excessively faster, than I see no benefit really. I am just trying to protect it when I want to go to the beach and run it.

[4745steve]

the stock bell is a welded 2 piece with a small 4mm bolt holding the pinion, holder for the bell is plastic and flexs
the turtle assy is well bullet proof 1 piece aluminum bell with a 6mm bolt has bigger bearings

the turtle pinions are NOT interchable with stock

bottom line well worth every penny

[Timmahh]

quite a bit. the TR setup if you read thru the discription has larger clutch bell stem bearings, the clutch bell has a larger stem and the pinion bolt is larger than a stock setup using the smaller stock bearins bell shaft size and pinion.



the 3 HD options built into the TR system, virtualy eliminats a snapped pinion bolt issues, has a better supported clutch bell, and the larger bearings also reduce heat, as well as add support. the TR system also includes the spur plate, which add strength to the layshaft/clutch bell with maitains spur/pinion mesh far better then stock does, or any of hte other valid options currently. it essentially ties the rear tranny plate area and locks the whole brake, layshaft, spur/pinion/bell/clutchhousing area to the front of the chassis. when HPI used the motor mounts to secure it to the chassis, they made the motor PART of the chassis. which is excelent but can stress the weaker plastic pieces from the motor to the tranny top plate and motor plate area. just as the DDM Flywheel cover and Phatdad Fancover braces strengthens up the pull start side of the motor/chassis, the TR HD System does the same to the clutch side of the Baja. just alot more parts involved in that side compared to the other side of the Baja, but TR did a great job imo. I have one of his systems on one Baja, and the other one is getting one of its own very soon.

[RC Racing Madness]

+1 Timmahh PLUS the Turtle System 6mm pinion bolt is on point and if it EVER breaks then it is cover under warranty if I am not mistaking. Also with the TR system adding strength to the clutch/spur side it will also help with stripping spur gears when jumping and bashing. I got 2 of them one on each 5b and 5t. Plus its made in the USA!!

[sixshooter_45]

Originally Posted by 4745steve

the stock bell is a welded 2 piece with a small 4mm bolt holding the pinion, holder for the bell is plastic and flexs
the turtle assy is well bullet proof 1 piece aluminum bell with a 6mm bolt has bigger bearings

the turtle pinions are NOT interchable with stock

bottom line well worth every penny

Their bells are made from steel not aluminum, from DDM site "This TR HD-Clutch bell shares it’s one piece steel design with it’s little Brother, The Original TR Steel Bells"

[shreadhead]

So what your saying Tim is the only thing thats the same is the word "ENCLOSED". OK got it, no I mean I have a TR enclosed clutch system and it awsome.

[Timmahh]

lol. ya pretty much thats it Shread. lol its almost faster and easier to list what the other options DONT do. lmao

[JUGG-ER-NAUT-13]

TR system worth everyone penny. it just gives and piece of mind there no failures. there also the option of using their open clutch carrier when not in sand or harsh conditons all compatiable. 2 for 1 can't beat it. plus better clutch engagment with a steel bell vs. the stock.

[cris]

you can run a ddm houseing and get a turtle bell, thats what im dunning in both cars and had no problems. it works just as good as the tr setup imo. you can also use the turtle plate (cant remember the name) with a ddm cover

[Trev]

I ended up ordering it a few days ago, along with some other goodies....thanks for the advice guys.

[SlowKrawl]

*flame suit on*

I asked this question a while ago and got the same response. Well, my stubborn side came out and I saw no reason that the ddm carrier with a grade 12.9 bolt would not hold up. I hav run it a couple times now in the ss with just a v2 dom with no issues. I would break a pinion bolt within probably 10-20 minutes of running before. The new motor will be the real test for it. I am sure the turtle system is nice, and the other part is that the 2 speed if and when it comes out, uses the turtle system. For the $70, I am testing out the DDM carrier.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by SlowKrawl

*flame suit on*

I asked this question a while ago and got the same response. Well, my stubborn side came out and I saw no reason that the ddm carrier with a grade 12.9 bolt would not hold up. I hav run it a couple times now in the ss with just a v2 dom with no issues. I would break a pinion bolt within probably 10-20 minutes of running before. The new motor will be the real test for it. I am sure the turtle system is nice, and the other part is that the 2 speed if and when it comes out, uses the turtle system. For the $70, I am testing out the DDM carrier.

that's another reason I also went with the turtle system, 2 speed compatibility because I'll definitely get one in the future.

[deznuts84]

You really can't go wrong with any TR parts , and the TR HD clutch system seems to fix some of the issues with the baja

[EL BARTO]

Another thing with the DDM carrier,I think it only fits stock clutch bells or aftermarket ones made exactly like the stock one.
I had problem with one which wouldn't accept the ver-ti-go because of the recess on top of the bell that was machined differently.

[chuck9044]

I was going to go with these two products when I am ready to upgrade my clutch.
http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.88...t.A/id.5030/.f

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c....t.A/id.5909/.f

But I didn't realize that the TR added support to the chassis. Could someone expand on this? Thanks

[freddy85]

I got overheating problem with the ddm enclosed one. I prefer the hpi one becouse its extremly well machined with alot of details and havent had one single clutch\gear problem after.